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Mauna Lani Resort or Waikoloa Resort

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Mauna Lani Resort or Waikoloa Resort

Which one is the best to you? Good beaches, golfing, accomodation options? I am looking for a condo around 150 with a/c

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63. Re: Mauna Lani Resort or Waikoloa Resort

Wow, meerkatkate. Now that is really over the top.

I don't think anyone in any of these forums has ever said anything derogatory about people who buy the Revealed books. What has been shared is that the existence of these books has had a very detrimental effect on our island communities, so much so that community meetings have been held on the subject, college classes taught that focus on the issue, workshops held about how to deal with the sharp increase in trespassing and other behaviors that have been touted in those books. The problems are very real!

And then there is all the incorrect history and cultural information. It's very frustrating that so many people buy these books and believe the misinformation contained therein to be fact.

What some people on these forums, myself included, have tried to do here is to inform forum readers of the result, in our communities, of so many people following the book's advice and, especially, trespassing on private land in order to get to some "secret" spot that the authors say they are "revealing."

Imagine if a book came out that told people to ignore your fences and walk through your land because you have a really cool swimming hole in the creek that runs behind your house. And suddenly you have 10, 20 people a day cruising through, acting like they are entitled to be there, because the book told you you should just go ahead.

That's not an exaggeration - in some places, the onslaught of people blithely ignoring signs, fences and gates has been much worse.

Wouldn't you resent that?

So, really, you'd be hard pressed to make a case that people are being arrogant and judgmental, when the situation that has been created is a challenging problem that has no easy resolution. My statement that people carrying the book around are thought of as "clueless" garnered a really defensive response, but the word clueless is not necessarily considered derogatory, and I absolutely did not mean it that way. The urban dictionary (I know that's not the only resource, but it's a useful one) defines it as being "not understanding."

Which is precisely what I meant. The people who carry around the book as their major guide for the most part definitely do not understand the effect that book has had on our communities.

We're all very grateful to those who have been able to use their discretion and their common sense to realize how much bad information is in those books after they purchase them, and pick only what is useful to them.

And when you are informed that when locals see you with that book, they might very well have a negative reaction, that's meant to be a useful bit of information to you. It's not personal, it's just one aspect of a much bigger context that has nothing whatsoever to do with you personally. If you would rather not know the reality of the situation, that's your choice, but I would think that knowing is generally much better than not knowing.

And no, we don't" like tourist dollars." It's wonderful to be able to share this incredible island with visitors who are conscientious and respectful of the island and its people. It's uplifting to read many of the trip reports here and become aware of how Hawaii Island inspires, amazes and delights people, day after day.

But most of us who live here have absolutely nothing to do with tourism. We make our livings in agriculture, education, medicine, law, auto repair, counseling, writing, solar installations, all the same kinds of livelihoods that visitors have back home. Much of the tourism dollars generated here leave the island anyway, and that's why there is such a strong movement here towards a more sustainable future that de-emphasizes tourism.

I have never heard of the event you refer to in your post, meerkatkate, but it's obviously just as inappropriate as trespassing to get to a "secret" spot. But if that visitor had been informed of the effect the books have had here, they would have been armed with that knowledge, and thus being aware, might have tucked the book out of sight. And that's what we're trying to do here - to give you the knowledge so that you can be aware.

What you do with that knowledge when you are here is entirely up to you.

Edited: 12 February 2013, 00:33
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64. Re: Mauna Lani Resort or Waikoloa Resort

Well, those who get it, get it, and those who don't, don't.

I think there is a caveat in the current blue book not to trespass, Shea, similar to the overview warnings about ocean dangers. Then they continue to offer specific instructions that involve trespassing, having somehow absolved themselves by printing this caveat.

btw, it is trespassing to follow streams by hiking in them or along them, unless they are in some sort of park. Streams are privately owned here. Navigable rivers are a different situation. My blue book tells people to follow streams as if it's not even a question that it might not be OK.

It amazes me how people spout off about the Aloha Spirit as if they believe that all people here are magically born with it, unlike people born everywhere else in the world.

People also complain about judging as somehow un-Hawaiian. (Not that I am Hawaiian or most locals either.) Have any of you complainers read any legitimate Hawaiian history that supports the notion that judging was not part of the culture?

And do you not get the concept of a hospitality industry putting its best face to visitors? While other people just lead normal lives and don't live by the rules a hotel puts on its staff?

I really think some of you should go to New York City and start complaining to New York City dwellers that they aren't kissing up to you after you came there and showered your tourist dollars on them. Or try Paris ...

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67. Re: Mauna Lani Resort or Waikoloa Resort

I really like that KK!

On my recent trip to the MidEast, during difficult times there in particular, I took the time to learn some basics; what do you wear (or not) where, what do you say when and to whom...this all served me well as the only woman on a ferry of several hundred, crossing from Jordan into Israel. Travelers learn what "accessories" are needed, and when they should definitely be left at home. In this case, think of the Revealed books as, appropriately, a particularly revealing blouse in Egypt. Don't bring it.

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